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	<title>Comments on: Why I Hate Ping.fm</title>
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	<description>Adam Darowski is a daddy of two and User Experience Designer for BatchBlue Software.</description>
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		<title>By: We Need Social Network Networks &#124; Software Cooperative News</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-145711</link>
		<dc:creator>We Need Social Network Networks &#124; Software Cooperative News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, while I could set up two ping.fm-like update services to avoid the single point of failure at a closed service, but that would mean that any updates would appear twice. Alternatively, some of the Twitter-like services can be told to watch the Wordpress blogs for updates, but each one would need to be configured in a different way. Finally, there&#8217;s already a problem of redundancy and context with ping.fm which makes Adam Darowski and others hate it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, while I could set up two ping.fm-like update services to avoid the single point of failure at a closed service, but that would mean that any updates would appear twice. Alternatively, some of the Twitter-like services can be told to watch the Wordpress blogs for updates, but each one would need to be configured in a different way. Finally, there&#8217;s already a problem of redundancy and context with ping.fm which makes Adam Darowski and others hate it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Darowski</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-142160</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Darowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually do have my tweets go to Facebook since they are such diverse audiences for me (no former high school crushes on Twitter). In fact, I find I get more replies on Facebook.

And hey, why the heck haven&#039;t you added me on Facebook? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually do have my tweets go to Facebook since they are such diverse audiences for me (no former high school crushes on Twitter). In fact, I find I get more replies on Facebook.</p>
<p>And hey, why the heck haven&#8217;t you added me on Facebook? <img src='http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-142104</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s for exactly these reasons that I disabled Twitter/Facebook sync, and started using SocialThing exclusively.

If my Facebook friends want to be subjected to my tweets, it&#039;s easy enough for them to follow me;  I don&#039;t want to force people into an &quot;all or nothing&quot; interest in my activities.  Many of my friends would love to know when I&#039;m going out on the town, but could care less when I post a geeky blog entry.

Same with my Flickr contacts; they heavily overlap with my Twitter friends already, but I have others who really just want to see my photos, not what I&#039;m doing every few hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s for exactly these reasons that I disabled Twitter/Facebook sync, and started using SocialThing exclusively.</p>
<p>If my Facebook friends want to be subjected to my tweets, it&#8217;s easy enough for them to follow me;  I don&#8217;t want to force people into an &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; interest in my activities.  Many of my friends would love to know when I&#8217;m going out on the town, but could care less when I post a geeky blog entry.</p>
<p>Same with my Flickr contacts; they heavily overlap with my Twitter friends already, but I have others who really just want to see my photos, not what I&#8217;m doing every few hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-121351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the &#039;bite&#039; guy I probably should respond and discuss why I feel the need to do use broadcasting services like Ping.fm.  

I have an audience at livejournal, facebook, myspace, twitter and a few other services.  For the most part these audiences do not cross over and posting to all of them would take a significant amount of time.  Especially since I make frequent status updates.  I am open to additional suggestions. 

I use SocialThing to monitor the majority of responses to these service postings and generally do not miss much.  If I need to respond to someone I do so on the individual service.

While I apologize for people that do have to suffer through a bit of redundant posting the benefit for those that care about what is going on with me outweighs the inconvenience of others.  I also slightly regret the coolness of that statement but it is the truth.

I admit that LinkedIn status updates were a poor choice but they are also very broken and that particular statement hung there forever.  They are now removed.

Rant: I really despise LinkedIn and what it represents.  I think that not hiring someone based on some outrageous comment/pic they made online creates a culture where you only hire people that are really good at hiding things.  I have worked in these cultures of deceit several times and they have left a bad taste in my mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the &#8216;bite&#8217; guy I probably should respond and discuss why I feel the need to do use broadcasting services like Ping.fm.  </p>
<p>I have an audience at livejournal, facebook, myspace, twitter and a few other services.  For the most part these audiences do not cross over and posting to all of them would take a significant amount of time.  Especially since I make frequent status updates.  I am open to additional suggestions. </p>
<p>I use SocialThing to monitor the majority of responses to these service postings and generally do not miss much.  If I need to respond to someone I do so on the individual service.</p>
<p>While I apologize for people that do have to suffer through a bit of redundant posting the benefit for those that care about what is going on with me outweighs the inconvenience of others.  I also slightly regret the coolness of that statement but it is the truth.</p>
<p>I admit that LinkedIn status updates were a poor choice but they are also very broken and that particular statement hung there forever.  They are now removed.</p>
<p>Rant: I really despise LinkedIn and what it represents.  I think that not hiring someone based on some outrageous comment/pic they made online creates a culture where you only hire people that are really good at hiding things.  I have worked in these cultures of deceit several times and they have left a bad taste in my mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Darowski</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-119557</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Darowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great point I totally missed about the megaphone/1-way aspect of Ping.fm. Now I REALLY don&#039;t like it! :)

If you&#039;re going to push to these services, you gotta hang there. Otherwise, you&#039;re just taking up space.

I rarely use Brightkite, but when I do, it is to post messages about a PLACE and view the stream of a PLACE. You know, the intended purpose. :)

Ping.fm is the &quot;chew and screw&quot; of social media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great point I totally missed about the megaphone/1-way aspect of Ping.fm. Now I REALLY don&#8217;t like it! <img src='http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to push to these services, you gotta hang there. Otherwise, you&#8217;re just taking up space.</p>
<p>I rarely use Brightkite, but when I do, it is to post messages about a PLACE and view the stream of a PLACE. You know, the intended purpose. <img src='http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ping.fm is the &#8220;chew and screw&#8221; of social media.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-119552</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Argh, I meant &quot;unless they are valuable as one-way updates&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Argh, I meant &#8220;unless they are valuable as one-way updates&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.darowski.com/tracesofinspiration/2008/08/11/why-i-hate-pingfm/comment-page-1/#comment-119551</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree, and actually wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teradome.com/posts/friendfeed-pingfm-and-new-distributed-conversation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something 
related&lt;/a&gt; a while ago. There&#039;s a more fundamental communications 
problem with Ping.fm and sites like them, which I describe as &quot;I can 
hear you, but how can I be sure you hear me back?&quot;

Sure, Ping.fm is obviously a megaphone, but it&#039;s an anti-social 
megaphone. It lets people push updates to sites without visiting them 
and seeing the activity their updates may have created. The systems it 
integrates with are two-way channels, but Ping.fm treats them as one-way.

It bugs me the most with Brightkite, because Brightkite works best when 
people are talking about actual places. &quot;What&#039;s happening around me?&quot; 
should return notes about specific places noting funny encounters, 
things to try and see, etc., etc. But megaphoning turns it into simple 
self-promotion. The fact that you don&#039;t even have to be at/have checked 
into a location to write about it is completely lost when using the site 
in such a remote, lowest-common-denominator fashion.

In the end, I never respond to megaphone users unless I know where they 
actually check in and listen back. Otherwise, they are valuable one-way 
updates, I&#039;ll just start ignoring them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree, and actually wrote <a href="http://www.teradome.com/posts/friendfeed-pingfm-and-new-distributed-conversation" rel="nofollow">something<br />
related</a> a while ago. There&#8217;s a more fundamental communications<br />
problem with Ping.fm and sites like them, which I describe as &#8220;I can<br />
hear you, but how can I be sure you hear me back?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, Ping.fm is obviously a megaphone, but it&#8217;s an anti-social<br />
megaphone. It lets people push updates to sites without visiting them<br />
and seeing the activity their updates may have created. The systems it<br />
integrates with are two-way channels, but Ping.fm treats them as one-way.</p>
<p>It bugs me the most with Brightkite, because Brightkite works best when<br />
people are talking about actual places. &#8220;What&#8217;s happening around me?&#8221;<br />
should return notes about specific places noting funny encounters,<br />
things to try and see, etc., etc. But megaphoning turns it into simple<br />
self-promotion. The fact that you don&#8217;t even have to be at/have checked<br />
into a location to write about it is completely lost when using the site<br />
in such a remote, lowest-common-denominator fashion.</p>
<p>In the end, I never respond to megaphone users unless I know where they<br />
actually check in and listen back. Otherwise, they are valuable one-way<br />
updates, I&#8217;ll just start ignoring them.</p>
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